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	<title>Comments on: Manila, Philippines: Nilo Ilarde Exhibition Review</title>
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		<title>By: rosauroreyes</title>
		<link>http://www.arterimalaysia.com/2009/05/29/manila-philippines-nilo-ilarde-exhibition-review/#comment-144074</link>
		<dc:creator>rosauroreyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 09:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im reacting to the comments of esmeralda- i know i&#039;m 2 years late but i really want to say a few things about this matter. I&#039;m not really defending nilo, i know this is not one of his best shows but i he has definitely done a lot of important works through the years. 

1 well strictly speaking, conceptual art is really 40++ years old anyway. should it age differently here in the philippines?   

2 nilo ilarde is not a young artist, he&#039;s been doing this for a long time, maybe close to 30 years already. 

3 i don&#039;t expect joseph kosuth to suddenly make text works out of cigarette burns on paper or something. of course he will use his own &#039;vocabulary&#039; and artistic strategies. He will use text, some neon perhaps and refer to some philosophical concept. And i don&#039;t think anyone can fault him for that. 

4 i don&#039;t know if esmeralda is actually a filipino pretending to be an outsider, but if he/she is a foreigner then she must try to understand the context and history of filipino conceptual art first before condemning it across the board.

5 i&#039;ve heard comments like &quot;they are just copying what they see in art in america, etc&quot; before and usually it comes from social realists or 70s era abstract expressionist painters. i also hear it from intelligent but not really good artists who ended up as bitter art teachers.

6 actually every aspect of this whole show is a derivative- derived from art history, from the gallery space,  from other artists.  i think that is the whole point. I think he tried to answer how a show can be made without really creating anything new. 

7 conceptual art as a movement is old. conceptual artists are either old, dead or dying. but there are young artists everywhere who are using concept-based strategies in making works that deal with contemporary issues. there are also artists like that in the philippines. and in malaysia as well.

8 its funny how you negate nilo&#039;s use of irony and accuse him of brown nosing just because  you think he &quot;Ilarde is trying to tell people that he is sophisticated and that he knows conceptual art&quot;  but isn&#039;t that exactly what you did in your comment?  you paraded your knowledge of art history concluded that the  only people who can appreciate this work are those who don&#039;t know art history the way you do or amnesiacs who have forgotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im reacting to the comments of esmeralda- i know i&#8217;m 2 years late but i really want to say a few things about this matter. I&#8217;m not really defending nilo, i know this is not one of his best shows but i he has definitely done a lot of important works through the years. </p>
<p>1 well strictly speaking, conceptual art is really 40++ years old anyway. should it age differently here in the philippines?   </p>
<p>2 nilo ilarde is not a young artist, he&#8217;s been doing this for a long time, maybe close to 30 years already. </p>
<p>3 i don&#8217;t expect joseph kosuth to suddenly make text works out of cigarette burns on paper or something. of course he will use his own &#8216;vocabulary&#8217; and artistic strategies. He will use text, some neon perhaps and refer to some philosophical concept. And i don&#8217;t think anyone can fault him for that. </p>
<p>4 i don&#8217;t know if esmeralda is actually a filipino pretending to be an outsider, but if he/she is a foreigner then she must try to understand the context and history of filipino conceptual art first before condemning it across the board.</p>
<p>5 i&#8217;ve heard comments like &#8220;they are just copying what they see in art in america, etc&#8221; before and usually it comes from social realists or 70s era abstract expressionist painters. i also hear it from intelligent but not really good artists who ended up as bitter art teachers.</p>
<p>6 actually every aspect of this whole show is a derivative- derived from art history, from the gallery space,  from other artists.  i think that is the whole point. I think he tried to answer how a show can be made without really creating anything new. </p>
<p>7 conceptual art as a movement is old. conceptual artists are either old, dead or dying. but there are young artists everywhere who are using concept-based strategies in making works that deal with contemporary issues. there are also artists like that in the philippines. and in malaysia as well.</p>
<p>8 its funny how you negate nilo&#8217;s use of irony and accuse him of brown nosing just because  you think he &#8220;Ilarde is trying to tell people that he is sophisticated and that he knows conceptual art&#8221;  but isn&#8217;t that exactly what you did in your comment?  you paraded your knowledge of art history concluded that the  only people who can appreciate this work are those who don&#8217;t know art history the way you do or amnesiacs who have forgotten.</p>
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		<title>By: Stofflet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stofflet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 03:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the nice resource</description>
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		<title>By: Tienda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tienda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 00:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog. Keep it up. See you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog. Keep it up. See you</p>
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		<title>By: Widmayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Widmayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 04:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s Up, just stopping by to show some [holiday&#124;seasonal&#124;Christmas&#124;Kwanza&#124;winter} cheer! I certainly respect how hard it is writing all this information! Have a GREAT NEW YEAR!
 
Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s Up, just stopping by to show some [holiday|seasonal|Christmas|Kwanza|winter} cheer! I certainly respect how hard it is writing all this information! Have a GREAT NEW YEAR!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: hiphop dinle</title>
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		<dc:creator>hiphop dinle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 02:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi.
Thanx admin very good Article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi.<br />
Thanx admin very good Article.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 04:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Esmeralda,

If the artist makes his quotations so obvious (to you atleast :P I hardly read these ad laden magazines anymore), couldn&#039;t it be said that way he has removed the contextual issues and replayed them in the Philippines allows us to find the universal points that remains once social and political stories have come and gone and what is left is the cultural legacies to be debated?

Claiming something as &#039;derivitive&#039; is a very unconvincing form of attack in this pomo megamix age. Roman architecture and sculpture was very derivitive of the Ancient Greeks but who makes a big fuss about that? Historians are generally thankful to the Romans for helping to preserve, enriching and spreading Hellenistic culture.

I had a dream this morning of an outdoor exhibition where merely the frames of a gallery were build and pictures floated in mid-air thanks to fishing wires. Must have been the influence of this articles and your sharp critiques.

DC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Esmeralda,</p>
<p>If the artist makes his quotations so obvious (to you atleast :P I hardly read these ad laden magazines anymore), couldn&#8217;t it be said that way he has removed the contextual issues and replayed them in the Philippines allows us to find the universal points that remains once social and political stories have come and gone and what is left is the cultural legacies to be debated?</p>
<p>Claiming something as &#8216;derivitive&#8217; is a very unconvincing form of attack in this pomo megamix age. Roman architecture and sculpture was very derivitive of the Ancient Greeks but who makes a big fuss about that? Historians are generally thankful to the Romans for helping to preserve, enriching and spreading Hellenistic culture.</p>
<p>I had a dream this morning of an outdoor exhibition where merely the frames of a gallery were build and pictures floated in mid-air thanks to fishing wires. Must have been the influence of this articles and your sharp critiques.</p>
<p>DC</p>
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		<title>By: esmeralda frakenbush</title>
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		<dc:creator>esmeralda frakenbush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is art in Malaysia that bad? The problem in Manila is that the artists just look at the international art mags coming from EU and US and try to copy the works they see without really being aware of the context that they were made in. So when a Filipino does a William Anastasi it diminishes the work into quotations. When William Anastasi did the wall removal piece in the 60&#039;s he was questioning the wall as a symbol of the &quot;institution&quot; that supported the war in Vietnam. He was breaking the barrier, wanting to see what&#039;s behind. Actually, he was being &quot;ironic.&quot; But when these Filipino artists use these quotations I think they are not using irony but a form of brown-nosing their masters. Ilarde is trying to tell people that he is sophisticated and that he knows conceptual art and what Polke said, and what John Cage said, etc., etc. And that is what makes the work of Ilarde trivial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is art in Malaysia that bad? The problem in Manila is that the artists just look at the international art mags coming from EU and US and try to copy the works they see without really being aware of the context that they were made in. So when a Filipino does a William Anastasi it diminishes the work into quotations. When William Anastasi did the wall removal piece in the 60&#8217;s he was questioning the wall as a symbol of the &#8220;institution&#8221; that supported the war in Vietnam. He was breaking the barrier, wanting to see what&#8217;s behind. Actually, he was being &#8220;ironic.&#8221; But when these Filipino artists use these quotations I think they are not using irony but a form of brown-nosing their masters. Ilarde is trying to tell people that he is sophisticated and that he knows conceptual art and what Polke said, and what John Cage said, etc., etc. And that is what makes the work of Ilarde trivial.</p>
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		<title>By: vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>huh? why? wat&#039;s so funny? 
i am serious. u should come to malaysia. :) 

who&#039;s this anyway? why can&#039;t ppl put in their real names? what&#039;s to hide? 

but somehow, i think i know who jbite is...not alot of ppl think i am funny.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huh? why? wat&#8217;s so funny?<br />
i am serious. u should come to malaysia. :) </p>
<p>who&#8217;s this anyway? why can&#8217;t ppl put in their real names? what&#8217;s to hide? </p>
<p>but somehow, i think i know who jbite is&#8230;not alot of ppl think i am funny&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: jbite</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahaha...
Vincent, you crack me up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahaha&#8230;<br />
Vincent, you crack me up!</p>
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		<title>By: vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If this is conceptual art in Manila it has been so behind, like umm, 40 years.&quot;

hahaha...u should come to malaysia!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If this is conceptual art in Manila it has been so behind, like umm, 40 years.&#8221;</p>
<p>hahaha&#8230;u should come to malaysia!!!!</p>
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