Comments on: Shadow Play http://www.arterimalaysia.com/2009/12/01/shadow-play/ Interactions with Art, Life & Culture | Pasrah mesra memblog Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:12:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Yusuf http://www.arterimalaysia.com/2009/12/01/shadow-play/#comment-10817 Yusuf Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:32:44 +0000 http://www.arterimalaysia.com/?p=5787#comment-10817 Thank you Ituini for that link - and the quote from my favourite philosopher Maurice Merleau-Ponty Thank you Ituini for that link – and the quote from my favourite philosopher Maurice Merleau-Ponty

]]> By: Ituini http://www.arterimalaysia.com/2009/12/01/shadow-play/#comment-10789 Ituini Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:49:21 +0000 http://www.arterimalaysia.com/?p=5787#comment-10789 Check out here for more info on shariman's latest artwork review! www.visualcrackers.com Check out here for more info on shariman’s latest artwork review!

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]]> By: Yusuf http://www.arterimalaysia.com/2009/12/01/shadow-play/#comment-10626 Yusuf Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:20:27 +0000 http://www.arterimalaysia.com/?p=5787#comment-10626 I never read other people's opinions on work I chose to review, for fear that those opinions might influence my own. So no, sorry I have not read the catalogue, nor the text on the leaflet. The catalogue is far too over priced, that is one criticism I will make of the exhibition. I am glad that you saw it. But cannot understand how you missed the prominence of the shadows. I never read other people’s opinions on work I chose to review, for fear that those opinions might influence my own.

So no, sorry I have not read the catalogue, nor the text on the leaflet.

The catalogue is far too over priced, that is one criticism I will make of the exhibition.

I am glad that you saw it. But cannot understand how you missed the prominence of the shadows.

]]> By: goatse http://www.arterimalaysia.com/2009/12/01/shadow-play/#comment-10618 goatse Wed, 02 Dec 2009 04:42:06 +0000 http://www.arterimalaysia.com/?p=5787#comment-10618 Thanks for links! Si sir I saw exhibition. I generally do not comment on things I've not seen personally. I use photos as empirical evidence so that you and others may make a more objective opinion. Such attempts at objectivity may be impossible in the end but attempts must be made for the sake of making consensus at what constitute national culture. As a whole, SHahriman is a tokoh but this show was really dissapointing. I could say that you are incredibly sensitive to such subtle beauties and it's good that you want to make others aware of it but the artist can't really be commended for making beautiful shadows unless some for of intentionality can be proven. I've not read the wall text or catalogue I'd admit that. Does it mention anywhere the artist manipulating the shadows for maximal effect. If so, would each piece be sold with specific lighting arrangements? Thanks for links! Si sir I saw exhibition. I generally do not comment on things I’ve not seen personally. I use photos as empirical evidence so that you and others may make a more objective opinion. Such attempts at objectivity may be impossible in the end but attempts must be made for the sake of making consensus at what constitute national culture. As a whole, SHahriman is a tokoh but this show was really dissapointing.

I could say that you are incredibly sensitive to such subtle beauties and it’s good that you want to make others aware of it but the artist can’t really be commended for making beautiful shadows unless some for of intentionality can be proven.

I’ve not read the wall text or catalogue I’d admit that. Does it mention anywhere the artist manipulating the shadows for maximal effect. If so, would each piece be sold with specific lighting arrangements?

]]> By: Yusuf http://www.arterimalaysia.com/2009/12/01/shadow-play/#comment-10608 Yusuf Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:07:27 +0000 http://www.arterimalaysia.com/?p=5787#comment-10608 Please take a look at http://www.google.com.my/#q=subjective+reality+art+history&hl=en&sa=G&tbs=tl:1&tbo=u&ei=tLwVS7OFKIuC7QOe2unEBA&oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=11&ved=0CCgQ5wIwCg&fp=3c7d6992ca11d7ba Mary Anne Staniszewski - Believing is Seeing John Berger - Ways of Seeing http://www.surrealismcentre.ac.uk/papersofsurrealism/journal2/acrobat_files/buck_morss_article.pdf for a start Please take a look at

http://www.google.com.my/#q=subjective+reality+art+history&hl=en&sa=G&tbs=tl:1&tbo=u&ei=tLwVS7OFKIuC7QOe2unEBA&oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=11&ved=0CCgQ5wIwCg&fp=3c7d6992ca11d7ba

Mary Anne Staniszewski – Believing is Seeing
John Berger – Ways of Seeing

http://www.surrealismcentre.ac.uk/papersofsurrealism/journal2/acrobat_files/buck_morss_article.pdf

for a start

]]> By: Yusuf http://www.arterimalaysia.com/2009/12/01/shadow-play/#comment-10600 Yusuf Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:33:54 +0000 http://www.arterimalaysia.com/?p=5787#comment-10600 I stand by my writing. I should like to add that I use - discerning, to mean - able to make or detect effects of great subtlety; sensitive; "discerning taste"; "a discerning eye for color." I do not believe that is at all snobbish, but experienced. Goatse - have you actually been to see the exhibition? Instead of just looking at images on the internet! Because if you have, then I have no idea why you could not see the shadows which, when I went, were so obvious. Further, as an exhibition curator/co-ordinator myself I have always have worked with the 'artist' and objects to produce the most significant display. It is a truism that we learn to see, not just with our eyes, but with our mind. I stand by my writing. I should like to add that I use – discerning, to mean – able to make or detect effects of great subtlety; sensitive; “discerning taste”; “a discerning eye for color.” I do not believe that is at all snobbish, but experienced.

Goatse – have you actually been to see the exhibition? Instead of just looking at images on the internet! Because if you have, then I have no idea why you could not see the shadows which, when I went, were so obvious.

Further, as an exhibition curator/co-ordinator myself I have always have worked with the ‘artist’ and objects to produce the most significant display.

It is a truism that we learn to see, not just with our eyes, but with our mind.

]]> By: hassan http://www.arterimalaysia.com/2009/12/01/shadow-play/#comment-10574 hassan Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:49:08 +0000 http://www.arterimalaysia.com/?p=5787#comment-10574 Eversince the old staffs were forced out of galeri petronas, the exhibitions have become worse and worse. this is clear example of how our national politics have interfered and watered down culture. I wish petronas would stop being so bloody spineless and visionless. an example, during the Ahmad zakii's exhibition last year,I even heard rumors about the conservative group within petronas complaining that Zakii's charcoal portraits of Indians is in reference to hindraf, appealing of course to the powers that be. I say, let those who know run the show! Eversince the old staffs were forced out of galeri petronas, the exhibitions have become worse and worse. this is clear example of how our national politics have interfered and watered down culture. I wish petronas would stop being so bloody spineless and visionless. an example, during the Ahmad zakii’s exhibition last year,I even heard rumors about the conservative group within petronas complaining that Zakii’s charcoal portraits of Indians is in reference to hindraf, appealing of course to the powers that be. I say, let those who know run the show!

]]> By: goatse http://www.arterimalaysia.com/2009/12/01/shadow-play/#comment-10568 goatse Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:23:06 +0000 http://www.arterimalaysia.com/?p=5787#comment-10568 well... come to think about it, snob might have been to heavy a word to use. Sorry Yusof sir! well… come to think about it, snob might have been to heavy a word to use. Sorry Yusof sir!

]]> By: goatse http://www.arterimalaysia.com/2009/12/01/shadow-play/#comment-10562 goatse Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:48:29 +0000 http://www.arterimalaysia.com/?p=5787#comment-10562 Yusof Sir + Arteri Using nicks and trolling is just part of the nature of the internet. Chill out. Don't panic. Are Malaysians really all so sensitive? There are two sections of your review which I found too contrived: - the sculptures are 'graceful' - the shadows is where the primary beauty to be found Please reply to these criticism instead of being so sensitive to being called a snob. It was only because you had implied yourself to be the 'discerning viewer' who could see the 'real' beauty while 'normal' visitors could not. Given the public setting, it would have been in the interest of the curator and artist to properly highlight the shadows so that anyone could see. Why make is so difficult? Instead of using ye'old 'art is subjective' defence, I've given you objective reasons why I cannot support your positive praises. Here it is again minus my hormones: - look at the photos in the link, shadows are minimized on the padestal - what is found on the floor are cropped and fragmented - given how wide some padestals are, the shadow gives the effect of figures popping out from boxes - the walls are displayed with paintings and sketches, thus distracting interest from the shadows - the artist would have had to fix the entire lighting of the exhibition to properly attribute this positive aspect to him. Otherwise, the installation worker would be the real genius. - oh here's another point, if shadows were so important, wouldn't it be more appropriate for the metal to be painted in a light colour to allow for more varied tones? Regardless of what you think of people who use nicks online, or give objective criticisms, could you respond to the points above? Thanks Yusof Sir + Arteri

Using nicks and trolling is just part of the nature of the internet. Chill out. Don’t panic. Are Malaysians really all so sensitive?

There are two sections of your review which I found too contrived:

- the sculptures are ‘graceful’
- the shadows is where the primary beauty to be found

Please reply to these criticism instead of being so sensitive to being called a snob. It was only because you had implied yourself to be the ‘discerning viewer’ who could see the ‘real’ beauty while ‘normal’ visitors could not.

Given the public setting, it would have been in the interest of the curator and artist to properly highlight the shadows so that anyone could see. Why make is so difficult?

Instead of using ye’old ‘art is subjective’ defence, I’ve given you objective reasons why I cannot support your positive praises. Here it is again minus my hormones:

- look at the photos in the link, shadows are minimized on the padestal
- what is found on the floor are cropped and fragmented
- given how wide some padestals are, the shadow gives the effect of figures popping out from boxes
- the walls are displayed with paintings and sketches, thus distracting interest from the shadows
- the artist would have had to fix the entire lighting of the exhibition to properly attribute this positive aspect to him. Otherwise, the installation worker would be the real genius.

- oh here’s another point, if shadows were so important, wouldn’t it be more appropriate for the metal to be painted in a light colour to allow for more varied tones?

Regardless of what you think of people who use nicks online, or give objective criticisms, could you respond to the points above? Thanks

]]> By: Eva http://www.arterimalaysia.com/2009/12/01/shadow-play/#comment-10560 Eva Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:57:23 +0000 http://www.arterimalaysia.com/?p=5787#comment-10560 Yes: as one of the Editors of the site, I want to stress that ARTERI is an open platform and we support all contributions to further diversify the opinions and views within the art scene. We welcome critical debate on our posts but want to avoid mud slinging ok? It is these clearly and intelligently articulated disagreements and different posts that make everything so interesting, the rest just turns into a soap opera, which we are not. So if you want to see different things on the site please submit your work to us! We are happy to post pretty much everything but as Simon and our editorials mention we can't do everything and need outside help to keep our content varied! All good things people Eva Yes: as one of the Editors of the site, I want to stress that ARTERI is an open platform and we support all contributions to further diversify the opinions and views within the art scene. We welcome critical debate on our posts but want to avoid mud slinging ok? It is these clearly and intelligently articulated disagreements and different posts that make everything so interesting, the rest just turns into a soap opera, which we are not.

So if you want to see different things on the site please submit your work to us! We are happy to post pretty much everything but as Simon and our editorials mention we can’t do everything and need outside help to keep our content varied!

All good things people

Eva

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